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Should Stoics practice voluntary discomfort?

A look at what Seneca and Epictetus actually recommend when they tell students to go hungry, cold, or thirsty on purpose.

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The short answer

Yes, but only in a specific and limited sense. Epictetus recommends deliberately practicing hunger, thirst, and cold to loosen the grip that pleasure and pain hold over desire and aversion, so that externals stop dictating your choices. But he is explicit that not every hardship counts: exercises that are merely difficult or dangerous without training this capacity are stunts, not philosophy, and the practice fails entirely if it becomes something you perform or announce.

Key points

  • Epictetus recommends practicing hardship on purpose, such as inclining against pleasure or exposing oneself to mild pain, to weaken habitual desire and aversion toward externals.
  • The stated goal of this practice is to live with desire and aversion free from restraint, meaning never disappointed in what you want and never caught by what you try to avoid.
  • Epictetus explicitly rejects hardships that are merely difficult or dangerous, such as tightrope walking or embracing statues, because they do not serve that goal.
  • The Handbook adds that any real practice of hardship should be done privately, for one's own sake, and never announced or displayed.
  • Seneca's letter shows the question arising in an ordinary practical form: whether to keep one's routine during a season of public indulgence.

The longer answer

Seneca raises the question himself. Writing in December, with Rome given over to the license of the Saturnalia, he wonders aloud whether he and his correspondent Lucilius should keep their ordinary habits or loosen them along with everyone else (Moral Letters Vol I 18.1 to 18.2). The question is not abstract for him. It is about how to live through one particular season without either joining the general excess or standing apart from it in a way that just becomes its own kind of display.

Epictetus answers a version of the same question more directly, and his answer has two parts that are easy to run together.

The first part is yes: discomfort can be practiced. Desire and aversion are pulled by strong habit toward externals, toward pleasure and away from pain, and Epictetus says a contrary habit has to be set against that pull deliberately. If you notice you are inclined to pleasure, incline the other way past the point of necessity, for the sake of practice. If you are averse to pain, rub up against that aversion on purpose, so that it loosens its hold on you (Discourses III 12). The aim named here is precise: to have desire and aversion free from restraint, meaning never disappointed and never caught by what you were trying to avoid. Voluntary hardship is training for that freedom, the same way a runner trains legs that will need to hold up under race conditions.

The second part is a caution, and it is where the popular picture of Stoic asceticism goes wrong. Epictetus is explicit that not every hard or dangerous exercise belongs in this training. Walking a tightrope is difficult and dangerous, and so is climbing a palm tree or embracing a statue in the cold, but none of that serves the goal. Exercises that are hard and dangerous but do not conduce to the actual work in front of us, he says, are not suitable for practice, and anyone who takes them up is no philosopher but a juggler performing for an audience (Discourses III 12). The point is not to be tough. It is to be free.

This is the same warning the Handbook gives in smaller form. If you have trained yourself to live on little, Epictetus says, do not congratulate yourself on it or announce it, and if you drink only water do not keep saying so. He adds a sharper instruction still: if the aim is real training in endurance, do it for yourself, not for an audience, and do not go grasping statues for effect. When you are badly thirsty, take a little water in your mouth, spit it out, and say nothing about it to anyone (Handbook 47). The comparison he offers is worth sitting with: the poor already bear hardship with more patience than most of us manage, and they do it without ceremony. That is the standard, not spectacle.

So the honest answer has two edges. Voluntary discomfort is a real Stoic practice, aimed at loosening the grip that pleasure and pain have on your desire and aversion, so that externals stop dictating what you chase and what you flee. But it fails as soon as it becomes a performance, a badge, or a stunt aimed at admiration rather than at freedom. The test Epictetus gives is simple to state and harder to apply: does this particular hardship conduce to the actual goal, living with desire and aversion unrestrained by what is not up to you, or does it just look impressive. If you want to try it, pick something small and ordinary, skip a comfort you would normally reach for automatically, and tell no one you did it.

Primary passages

I am rather inclined to pleasure: I will incline to the contrary side above measure for the sake of exercise. I am averse to pain: I will rub and exercise against this the appearances which are presented to me for the purpose of withdrawing my aversion from every such thing.

Epictetus, Discourses III 12 Read in context

Epictetus states the practice plainly: hardship is used to loosen the pull of pleasure and pain on desire and aversion.

Ought we for this reason to practise walking on a rope, or setting up a palm tree, or embracing statues? By no means. Every thing which is difficult and dangerous is not suitable for practice; but that is suitable which conduces to the working out of that which is proposed to us.

Epictetus, Discourses III 12 Read in context

The corrective: difficulty alone is not the point. An exercise counts only if it serves the actual goal.

When you have brought yourself to supply the necessities of your body at a small price, don't pique yourself upon it; nor, if you drink water, be saying upon every occasion, "I drink water.

Epictetus, Handbook 47 Read in context

The Handbook's warning against turning discomfort into a badge to display rather than a private discipline.

If I had you with me, I should be glad to consult you and find out what you think should be done,—whether we ought to make no change in our daily routine, or whether, in order not to be out of sympathy with the ways of the public, we should dine in gayer fashion and doff the toga.

Seneca, Moral Letters Vol I 18.2 Read in context

Seneca frames the question concretely, against the backdrop of the Saturnalia's public excess.

Important distinctions

Training desire versus performing toughness

Epictetus separates hardship that trains desire and aversion from hardship that merely impresses onlookers. Rubbing against the appearances of pain and pleasure, as he describes it, is aimed at inner freedom. Walking ropes or embracing statues is aimed at admiration, and he calls that the work of a juggler, not a philosopher.

Voluntary discomfort versus asceticism for its own sake

The practice is not about minimizing comfort as a virtue in itself. Epictetus warns against taking pride in living on little or announcing that you drink only water. The point is to be unrestrained by pleasure and pain, not to accumulate a record of privations.

Objections and replies

Isn't this just self-imposed suffering with no clear payoff?

A skeptic might ask why deliberately courting thirst or cold does anything more than make you briefly miserable, especially if the goal, freedom from restraint by desire and aversion, sounds abstract next to the concrete discomfort involved.

Reply

Epictetus ties the practice to a specific mechanism: strong habit already pulls desire and aversion toward externals, so he argues a contrary habit is needed to counteract it, the same way any skill against a strong tendency needs deliberate counter-practice. The test he gives is whether a given hardship conduces to that outcome, which rules out most stunts and leaves only small, targeted exercises.

How do you tell training from showing off?

Since both look similar from the outside, someone might worry the line between legitimate practice and performance is too easy to blur, especially once other people know about it.

Reply

Epictetus's own answer is to keep it private. In the Handbook he tells the reader not to announce that he drinks water and, when thirsty, to take water in the mouth and spit it out without telling anyone. Secrecy is not incidental here, it is close to the test itself: if you need an audience, the exercise has already become something else.

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Sources

  1. Epictetus, Discourses III Primary text, Stoa library
  2. Epictetus, Handbook Primary text, Stoa library
  3. Seneca, Moral Letters Vol I Primary text, Stoa library